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26 Apr 2022 | John Athayde
Field
Old Value
New Value
Id
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25411
Border color
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29
Border type
(none)
Cut edge
Background color
(none)
30
Lettering color
(none)
57
Fdl bsa color
(none)
(none)
First issue
(none)
01 Jan 1953
Quantity issued
(none)
220
Description
(none)
(none)
Patchscan url
(none)
(none)
Lifetime quantity
(none)
220
Width
(none)
77
Height
(none)
77
Shortname
(none)
Green Round Large 179 Dots or Green Round Small 179
History
(none)
Has dots, has embroidered eye, '179' same size as other lettering
The '179 same size as other lettering' description was not part of Arapaho or Blue Book until 2000 when it was added to Blue Book 3. It was added based on the image from Jerry Roger's book The History of the Order of the Arrow in Alabama -- not an actual patch -- to help clarify confusion over that and the R5a.
This is from the collection of a south Alabama collector. A collector from east Alabama says he has one but has not provided a picture of his piece. There wasn't an example of this in the Topkis-Morely or Conley Williams collections.
The example shown here is thread for thread an R3 down to the upward bump in the green line over 'LODGE'. The dots on this piece are too perfect and too round when compared to the dots on the R5 rounds.
Most Alibamu collectors -- except those mentioned above who 'have one' -- believe this is a fake. We believe the R4's here and in Jerry Rogers book were R3's with dots sewn on later by an individual.
Alibamu's collectors propose one of the following actions be taken:
1) Remove the '179 same size as other lettering' description and create a YR1 for the patch mentioned here.
2) Add'questionable issue' to the R4 and create a R5c for the second patch pictured. R5c the neck touches 7&9, has no eye.
Material
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Gabardine/Twill
Issue shape
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Circle
Uuid
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+tdido93R3M=
Designer
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Charles B. McKee
Supress missing back image
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(none)
Date type
precise
precise date
22 Dec 2022 | Mike Dean
Field
Old Value
New Value
Description
(none)
The R4 as Blue Book listed it does not exist. See the history notes.
10 Sep 2023 | Mike Dean
Field
Old Value
New Value
Border color
29
(none)
Border type
Cut edge
Background color
30
(none)
Lettering color
57
(none)
Quantity issued
220
0
Lifetime quantity
220
0
Width
77
0
Height
77
0
Shortname
Green Round Large 179 Dots or Green Round Small 179
Green Round Large 179 Dots
History
Has dots, has embroidered eye, '179' same size as other lettering
The '179 same size as other ...
Has dots, has embroidered eye, '179' same size as other lettering
The '179 same size as other ...
